Matthes: Okay, so Nash, we’ll wait for Phil here but I’ll kind of lead into the story. So Weigandt, as you know, flagged at Englishtown, right? 

Nash: Correct.

Matthes: He flagged at Englishtown…

Weigandt: There is no debate here.

Matthes: He was with Ultimate, everything else. Ultimate was the ultimate flagger, Weege got a job flagging, everything else, so this has just been part of Weege’s story, and we all love him for it, right?

Nash: Yes, correct. Ultimate’s son was in my school… 

Weigandt: That’s right, yep.

Matthes: Phil, who was a town regular, says that… Phil, you say you and all of your buddies never saw or heard about Weigandt flagging? 

Phil: Never.

Nash: Well, Weigandt was there in the mid-90s. Don’t taze me, bro.

Matthes: His buddies are that old, right?

Phil: Yeah yeah, they’re all there. They were all there. 

Weigandt: Okay, let me just end this debate now…

Phil: Here we go. Here we go. Here we go

Weigandt: Which one of you people in this building or listening to this show ever introduced yourself and hungout and spoke to a flagger? 

Nash: Never 

Matthes: I never have.

Weigandt: NEVER.

Nash: J-Law would taunt the flaggers.

Phil: Yeah, [laughs] exactly, that’s about it.

Weigandt: So everyone’s like: “We never talked to this guy and he was a flagger?” Of course you did not talk to me, because I was a flagger! 

Matthes: But Phil, none of your buddies? They just… 

Weigandt: Why would they come and talk to me? 

Matthes: I mean they seem to know everybody. 

Phil: Yeah, they know everybody.

Weigandt: Do you think Lukaitis or Rich, yourself, is gonna walk up and everybody and be like: “Hey man!?”

Phil: Yeah, they don’t know. Weigandt, naw, he was never a flagger.   

Weigandt: Why would they have spoken to me?

Phil: There is no evidence of Weege being a flagger. Yeah, Zubko, yeah, Richie doesn’t know who Weege is. Yeah, Richie Zubko, Englishtown legend. 

Matthes: Are you making this story up?

Nash: He is not making it up. 

Weigandt: I want you to think back to all the local tracks you guys grew up racing on and name me all the other flaggers that you remember. 

Weigandt: I was just one of all the flaggers who aren’t known.

Matthes: [Laughs] In Weege’s defense, I will say this: like if you’re gonna make a story up, to sort of give yourself credibility… 

Phil: You make a cooler one than being a flagger. [Laughs] 

Matthes: Right, if you wanna give yourself some credibility, like you’d say, “Hey, you know what I used to be Jeff Stanton’s trainer.” That’s what you’d say to be cool. You wouldn’t say, “Hey I was a flagger at E-Town.” 

Weigandt: I could not believe they were going to pay me $40 a day to watch the races. I could not believe it.

Phil: After he was already paying to be a spectator.

Weigandt: Yeah, I used to pay the whatever it cost to sit in the bleachers and watch.

Matthes: But you did say that Kessler talked to you sometimes.

Weigandt: When my dad would take me, he would bring me over to Mickey Kessler…

Matthes: Oh, before flagger days…

Weigandt: Yeah, yeah.

Matthes: But Phil, your buddies, no body heard of him, nobody knows?

Phil: Nope. They think Weege is a full-blown, like yeah, he’s a scam.

Weigandt: No way! 

Phil: Yeah. 

Nash: You know who could settle this and be a third-party person that could….

Matthes: Ultimate. Could we get Ultimate on the line?

Weigandt: How would I know that we had a flagger named Ultimate? How would I have this knowledge?

Matthes: No, because Lukaitis knew about Ultimate.

Weigandt: Who told Lukaitis to look for a guy named Ultimate?

Phil: Does Lukaitis know that you’re a flagger? 

Weigandt: No, but why would he? Actually, I think I can get verification, Lukaitis would know some of the other photographers that I did know, Frank Visone, and there was one other guy. 

Phil: Listen, if Thom Veety doesn’t have a picture of you somewhere along the lines, it’s over. 

Weigandt: Oh yeah. I'm sure he takes a lot of pictures of flaggers.

Nash: Thom Veety definitely has photographic evidence. 

…… 

Matthes: Well, I don’t know. Because Phil’s buddy is now saying that it didn’t happen so we are now throwing everything into a controversial roam of things…

Weigandt: This is travesty.

Nash: Couldn’t we verify? Richie could verify.

Phil: No, he paid Weege and he still doesn’t know. 

Weigandt: No, I got paid by Kenny Landerman. 

Matthes: So wait, we had someone who would pay the flaggers and not know who Weege is?

Nash: Yes.

Weigandt: He didn’t pay flaggers, he announced, and I got paid by Ken Landerman, he would give me my $40, my two $20 bills.

Phil: You never talked to Rich Trevelise?

Weigandt: No, I told you my one story…

….

Matthes: Nash, can you do us a favor and try to get to the bottom of this for us?

Nash: I will be satellite reporter for PulpMX. Trevelise could definitely talk to Landerman and we could search through files.

Matthes: Yeah, can we get Landerman on the show to talk. 

Weigandt: Is Landerman still around?

Nash: I’m sure all the people at E-Town could get a hold of him.

Matthes: Don’t even set this dude up, just say “Yes, Mr. Landerman, was Jason Weigandt a flagger, yes or no?” That’s it, that’s all we need to know…